I could be completely off base and change my mind tomorrow. So when you are saying, No way does Lindsay have inside sources or official documents, do you think its possible that a team of 230 sleuths all working together could have come up such things? This is at a time when he and his alibi place him out of town in a nearby city. Only if he had sent this much audio to one of the girls phones after the crime. That is because we got these statements either directly from LE, official case documents, or the same conclusions reached independently by two different sources (for this to be false, both sources would have had to make up the exact same lie), or from direct statements from one of the girls guardians. Im getting, at the home!. We believe he just told LE she was coming, it went out over the scanner, and she never showed up. This Feb. 13, 2017, file photo released by the Indiana State Police shows a man walking along the trail system in Delphi, Ind., authorities say is the suspect in the killings of two teenage girls. There are many people who confuse him with PB in comments and videos. Allen is a married pharmaceutical technician. Urinating is no problem, but what if he had to defecate? It doesnt seem reasonable to stay out there all that time for no good reason. People are saying that we have a copy of the gag order that was issued on the towing of the truck at the CPS building. BG is obviously a middle-aged man around 50. They had both been murdered. Abby Williams and Libby German were found dead on Feb. 14, 2017. No ones been hurt by this case more than Becky Patty. He has not been charged in the Delphi case. I want you to know that your comment is no longer there. They have enough suggestive evidence to make them think he did it, but if you look a the nature of their actual evidence, its awfully thin. A newly unsealed affidavit claims investigators analyzed the bullet and determined it had been cycled through Allen 's gun. We also do not know why out of all of the places to search, he happened to pick the exact location where the girls were killed. Also, there is debate, but if you look at the scanner recording of the day when the bodies were found, the local PD says "keep them away" in response to a statement re: bystanders + FBI; resulting in debate about whether local pd was trying to keep FBI away and why. Isnt that REALLY FUCKING STUPID? and that you think he already knew that they would be there.. They seriously posted photos just so they could retain cool points. No one knows if Mr. X is guilty or not. Instead of bashing us, why dont you ask why the cops are telling us this stuff? Only a few seconds of the 43-seconds long recording have not been made public. Kirts knew those backwoods just as good & probably better than Logan didI dunno man, the motive is dead on too (his beast of a girlfriend Garth getting locked up & losing custody of her son because of Libertys dad snitching for jail time easingI first thought this was a serial crimeNow, after looking at a lot more of the detail (& coming in to this in December 21, with most of the pertinent activity already have taken place), Id say chances of it being serial are probably less than 1%. So that means he killed these girls because theyre chicks too! Doesnt sound like a logical progression of thought to me. Leave this poor man alone, for Gods sake. He has reportedly filed a plea of not guilty and is being held without bond. Also its very hot here and all I feel like doing is sleeping all the time. [42] Derrick leaves to go take photos for Becky's business. This would explain how he could control two teens from running away as well as using a fake gun and badge. There may never be an arrest in this case. Paul, I know exactly what videos you are talking about on YouTube. Kline is said to have arranged to meet with Libby on the Delphi High Bridge the day before she was murdered while walking along it. Just thought I would steel you for that thought. Then that's no "grudge"., That's called pure evil. There was a helicopter/drone photoset going around in a FB group in the last few days (dont remember which group). We doubt if she did contact his wife. Faked to make it look like he could not possibly have committed the crime because he was more devastated than anyone else. The 2017 murder of Abby and Libby became notorious after investigators released chilling footage the girls recorded of a man following and approaching them across the Manon High Bridge. Mr Xs alibi is it true that the person who is now deceased is a police officer who committed suicide? Okay, I think I have the name which I garnered from another website. Join the best Delphi sleuthing group of all! It is high time this comes to fruition. A man was a suspect in this crime, and one document, a search warrant, are from LEs investigation of him. It was dusty and disheveled. But we have said many of the same things, which may be confirmation of my visions in a way. Say for instance LE arrested Mr. X and charged him with the double homicides of these two girls. These partial DNA samples are useful to LE. A massive search party was convened that night and the girls' bodies were found the next day, next to a creek. Notice that BG committed his crime with large knives or hatchets, his preferred weapon. I tend to think that it goes deeper than only Mr. X being involved though. Police found the girls' lifeless bodies a short distance from the bridge the following day, near a trail close to the bridge. Yes I thought the suspect had been recorded walking on the raailroad tracks on one of the girls phones. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Why do kids play make-believe? According to Leaker, this is correct. Would love to join the private group. What it does do, however, is make LE appear to be slightly less incompetent for calling off that search if Abby and Libby were confirmed to have been deceased before the search even started. The girls hand was wrapped around the knife to make it appear that she was stabbing herself. What I noticed in the article is that in cases of stating and posing bodies, the perpetrator and the victims are, compared to other murders, on average, older. The rejoinders also say that either he never lost his keys or he did and he called the wife to bring a spare, and she did, evidence being the police scanner. Delphi Murders Update April 13, 2021: Stunning Rumors about the Murders and Related Matters Now Officially Proven! It is being said that we are claiming all sorts of odd things about this crime, what happened, and the crime scene. I dont know this man very well, but he wasnt in on this crime. Ill leave it up to you to believe what you want to believe. One daughter, estranged. How do you know that LE has someone they believe is BG? Im not saying anymore in an attempt to protect LEs directive. 8) He drives an older model Ford Ranger type of truck. The autopsy of the other would know if she was a virgin and even if the killer violated her with whatever she would have bled a little so that could have been detected also. I actually had written a letter to law enforcement that I failed to send, of which I was reading from. The Indiana State Superintendent of Police is proud of the arrest of an accused in the Delphi massacre. Hey, its a capitalist country, right? The pre-trial hearing in this case is to be held in January. Thats what we want to talk to him about when our investigators go out there again. You are an obviously intelligent person and have made many good points. The only places he differs is where he thinks that the police are wrong! Also we dont know what they interrogated Ron about either. Answers to questions about my credibility. I dont get it. So the stellar members of LE have RL arrested and sent to jail all the while knowing he couldnt have committed this crime but doing NOTHING to stop the entire community from believing, first, that RL was a main suspect in the case,, and second, believing that he was in jail because he was a suspect! In the Delphi case, a signature could be very evident if both victims . You mentioned a pic of CSI workers with a doll a couple of days ago did anything come of this? I read 1 of them is still in grief counseling for it- so im pretty sure she doesnt wanna talk about it. He later discussed the placement of Abby Williams' body at the crime scene, and he claimed that the victims were not sexually assaulted (none of this information has been publicly released yet). According to video recovered from one of the victim's phones, Abby or Libby mentioned "gun" as a man approached them, the probable cause affidavit said. Neither Kegan nor Tony Kline can be placed at the bridge on that day or on any other day for that matter. The rumor is that his alibi is a Delphi police officer, Nate Allen, who committed suicide in December. I also believe 1) that all of the dolls found there were not put there after the crime but that this was an area that the perpetrator visited often to perform some kind of sadistic acts using the dolls, 2) that he was at that site when he perhaps saw and/or used binoculars to spot the girls on the bridge, 3)went to the bridge and then took the girls to his sadistic-acts place to perform those acts on live persons. It was posted to Facebook by Allen's wife Kathy, 50, in 2018 - just over a year after the girls disappeared in February 2017, although it's unclear when the photo was taken. Police still have not released their causes of death. Though she cannot comment on this investigation since its ongoing, she MAY be able to offer clues. You came over here after sitting over of that hate Reddit, LibbyandAbby where youve been hating on me. Shout out to anyone else who feels the same. He did commit the crime because the younger sketch is just BG in catfish form, his other younger personality that he used to snare victims. Mr. X needed the lost his keys excuse to explain how he stayed in that spot for 18 hours. Then email me and and I will give you the link and password and I will also let you into the new forum where you can set up your own name and password. Yes it is all speculation. According to Garrett, it's unlikely Allen would be bloody if a gun was the only murder weapon, unless Allen handled the bodies in some manner. Hes innocent. Via LE Source A, we have learned that in both crimes: The following are unverified rumors with at least some probability of being true: Indiana LE did not validate the rumors about some aspects of the crime scene such as: This is probably one of the flat-out weirdest aspects of the case of all. DELPHI, Ind. The authorities have been purposeful in not disclosing much information about the Delphi Murders. In fact, the rumor is that LE simply does not have enough evidence against Mr. X to take the case to court. Its a farce! What are the odds that both parties made up these specific lies on their own? Background to the Delphi Murders On Monday, February 13th, 2017, at around 1 pm, Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off near the Delphi Historic Trails in Delphi, Indiana. Distance of residence from crime scene at the time of the crime: Less than 2 miles to the east along the creek. Director of Atlantas Cold Case Research Institute and Atlanta metro-area CSI, Sheryl McCollum, said she believes the killer likely posed the victims bodies, instead of staging, for a form of gratification. In addition, note that he abducted two girls on the 13th, 2-13. This blood will probably will not come out with the wash. Thank you so much for this excellent comment, Jennifer! The 2017 murder of Abby, 13, and Libby, 14, became notorious after investigators released chilling footage the girls recorded of a man following and approaching them across the Manon High Bridge. Apparently neither girl was a virgin and both girls were sexually active in terms of PIV sex. Alex Oliveira For Dailymail.Com Dads not talking. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15568704. Try harder. . Heavily redacted court documents say that state police and the FBI encountered Kline in 2017 while conducting a search warrant in Peru, Indiana. Both investigators were women. R/DelphiMurders is completely useless due to their no rumors or speculation rules, which means that you can only discuss what is proven about the case, which after four years, is just about nothing. Hey Robert, absolutely love reading your blogs. The pre-trial hearing in this case is to be held in January. Required fields are marked *. If a perpetrator staged the scene, they did that for their benefit. Allen told investigators on Oct. 13, 2022, that he wore jeans and a blue or black Carhartt jacket that day, according to the probable cause affidavit. One seems to be PNB and the other is RRB. The unusual position concepts of posing and staging a murder victim hav There are 3 most common reasons; to thwart the investigation, for the shock effect on the finder and the investigators of the crime scene, or for perverted pleasure of the perpetrator. where Liberty German and Abigail Williams were seen before they were reported missing by their families on Feb. 13, 2017. These two men, driving in the younger mans black truck with pink stripe, were witnessed in the vicinity on or near the cemetery road at approximately 5:30 AM February 14, 2017. This was posted within a Facebook group and the poster stated that it was fine to share with other groups. By the way, whats a legitimate journalist? Whats a illegitimate journalist? Theres no such thing as either. Both my gut instinct and logic are screaming, Verify the statements of FSG!! Also, you develop better sources. To get that, he said one of two things happens: 1.) But many questions still remain around the murders of Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14. Hes been on my radar for a long time now. BG was very well disguised that day with a white scarf covering the lower half of his face. We suppose if was listening to a police scanner, he could have known that early, but whats the likelihood of Mr. X listening to a police scanner between 5:30-6:30 PM on the day of the crime? Of course they would look for that. I didnt remove it. Hes afraid hes going to be framed with these murders, a reasonable fear. Why dont you do a show on our theories. I think cycles finally straighten out at age 15. If they tried to take it to court, I am almost certain that the judge would throw it out before it even got to the trial stage. Garrett said he hopes investigators went to all of the local gun stores to see their records of sales of .40-caliber-type weapons. She mentions how the search parties on the 13th had a hard time finding the girls because they didnt think the were looking for bodies but alive girls and she says additionally, also they were partially covered. What does that mean? He was the right age, but he doesnt look like BG. There is no way he would come back later to stage anything because he wouldnt know how safe it was or how many law enforcement would be around. And Mr. X or BG is the one who used that catfish to bring Libby in. I do not feel that this has anything to do with anything. Bruce was noted for having a similar stature to the man seen in the Delphi video, and also wore similar clothes during his St. Louis crime as the man in the video Libby and Abby took. Girls in the pedohebephilic age range (8-14 years old) were brazenly abducted two at once from trails in busy parks in rural Midwestern towns in the middle of daytime with many people around. The case for Mr. X is as solid as ever. My background is nowhere near close to any qualifications for this. Hello Jacqui. 4) He was married many years prior. There would have to be some sort of connection to Mr. X for me to suspect him, and I dont see any as of yet other than odd behavior in searching for the girls. Theyre swarming all over this crime scene, and the killer is standing right here under their noses in the midst of the chaos for hours, and these coptards cant figure this out. We think he likes to fool and troll LE. Not even Becky Patty and she was probably more devastated than anyone and probably still is. Easy, they were lying! Thats very embarrassing. Abby may have been naked below the waist. Were their clothes found with the bodies at the crime scene? Stupid, stupid, stupid. $20/lifetime membership. Then there is always the question of his occupation. The guy that is making those videos about Mr X, and the guy by the name of Derek godsey. Guilty until proven innocent! I dont get that vibe at all with everything I know, but then again I know very little lol. Because no debt or grudge or anything can ever justify 2 little girls being murdered. Clearly very familiar with the area of the crime and perhaps knew it as well as the back of his hand. by Anonymous reply 23 February 5, 2021 3:58 PM The girl survived, and Chadwell is currently serving a 90-year sentence for the attack. Correct. The killer contacted Libby on social media using the "catfish" of a young man aged 19. People really seem to take him at face value and think that because he is older, hes not capable of committing such a crime. The two dates - 2/13/2017 & 2/13/2012 are the same in numerology (16): 2+1+3+2+0+1+7 = 16 and 7+1+3/+2+0+1+2 = 16. Ive used that a thousand times, especially when there are two or more suspects in adjacent interrogation rooms. 24/7 coverage of breaking news and live events. Twice in the the Evansdale Murders, LE thought they were certain that they had the right man. If you wish to join, please go here. The girls' bloodied bodies were found about a half mile from the bridge. Theyve been doing this from the very start, so this is nothing new. He will crack soon. Thats why all the smoke and mirrors. Is there any meaning to these numbers or is he just playing sneaky, tricky games with us like these guys often do. , updated Allen, a 50-year-old Delphi man, was arrested last month. Then they have the nerve to beg for witnesses to come forward with information. There is a small fee of $20 to join, which includes lifetime membership. The police have put a .40-caliber weapon into the case," Garrett said. But now we have an excellent regular LE source close to the investigation giving us regular updates, the best LE source weve ever had. Friends with Ron Logan on whose property the crime occurred. Despite a lack of evidence, investigators have not given up hope that they have caught the suspect. Id prefer stuff thats in the papers. The Indiana State Police on Friday made progress in the 2017 cold case, commonly known as the Delphi murders. Im not buying the fact that they just werent equipped to handle an investigation of this magnitude. Do we know who this is and why he'd have photos? The warrant, filed by an FBI agent investigating the murders back in 2017, was to carry out a search on the home of Ronald Logan. Allen's lead defense attorney Brad Rozzi did not respond to a request for comment and fellow attorney Andrew Baldwin declined to comment. The male model whose photos were used has been identified and is not a person of interest in the case, investigators said. Important residence periods: Moved to Evansdale, Iowa in 2011-2012 to work at a slaughterhouse possibly aligned with Tyson Foods there. The YouTube channel Zav Girl broke down the text messages in a video entitled "Text Messages from the Guy that found Abby and Libby? The gun failed the tests and was returned to the home. Pay minimum of $20 for lifetime membership to our group. Some of it, I feel, is the result of intentional obfuscation. Flowers sit by a bridge near Delphi, Ind. Dad is BG and KAK is waiting under the bridge. Most of these podcasts are silly speculation or talk about POIs who are all ruled out. Sexual age orientation: Pedohebephilia, nonexclusive, AOA 8-14. Im seeing in between. Hes a mechanic by trade, but used to drive trucks and works for a local trucking company with a high profile. YesGo to the very first article and I believe there is a Donate button on the page. Posed, which I believe is what this scene is, that is for the offenders gratification.. If it is not a serial killer, it can be too confrontational.Still, you never know and for sure a creepy idea. Indiana police looked into Bruce in connection to the Delphi murders, but no charges have been handed down. Mr. X not only discovered the bodies, but he ran away in terror afterwards. Who Is Kegan Kline, the Alleged Catfisher Being Investigated in Delphi Girls' Murder Case? At 13 and 14 the cycles are messed up bad. No, the other girl was also having sex with males and she also had a boyfriend. When investigators got that device, they found that many files had been deleted and social media apps uninstalled. Really. Allen was arrested on Friday in connection to the murders - the first big break in the case. I will say that Libbys birth mother has also dealt with her loss by turning rageful. Where his truck was parked was a five minute walk to the crime scene. The documents state that the wound to one of the girls was so brutal that the blood splatter would have been dramatic, drenching the killers clothes in blood. Mr. X has is not even at the Person of Interest stage in this case. If they were killed right away, its no problem, but if they were not killed until 12 hours later, its one more thing that makes no sense. I do not feel comfortable answering that question right now. He could have even confessed to me, but I am still not under obligation to tell the cops. Please help me out here. I have to say that I noticed a lot of CSI activity at a location far from that bank. They just think its a sin that needs to be overcome. Obviously this is the only type of personality that is capable of podcasting an egomaniac on the other hand, their personality pathology limits the usefulness of their shows. I also have to disagree with you about your criticism of the police for calling off the search at 3 AM. For example, a rape victim being naked from the waist down and legs splayed might invoke shock but the victim was not posed specifically to shock- just left as is. Some insist that this is merely a coincidence, but apparently LE do not think it is coincidental. He killed at least five people, specializing in young women. In the documents we have, it is openly stated that BG abducted the girls at precisely 2:13 PM. How many times has he been cleared? 14) For more, see video, though this is the gist of it. A 50-year-old suspect, identified as Richard Allen, has been arrested at the Carroll County Jail in connection with the murders of Abigail Williams and Libby German, whose bodies were found near the Delphi Historic Trail shortly after being reported missing in February . Anyway, where you at with this case now? It is certainly an interesting question, is it not? To be fair, two other men were also searching Rons land that night and they didnt find anything either, so it looks like those girls were pretty hard to miss. Numbers 1-4 were told to a retired detective who works with one of our team members us by an LE source close to the investigation. I wish I could delete this comment because it made no sense. Specifically, we are getting much of the the following information straight from the cops themselves. A blogger/sleuthed named Robert Lindsay supposedly has one on his site, there's a camera flashing on it. Didnt he at the time live down the street from Logan? They hiked on to the the abandoned and somewhat dangerous Monon High rail Bridge, over Deer Creek. Can you believe that I said that on Facebook, and some retarded ass computer flagged it and banned me for a while for insulting another user? Staging- by definition means they were placed/posed pre or post mortem a certain way. We are not sure of Mr. Xs current job, but we think he might be selling wooden signs that he makes by himself and sells. 43 seconds of audio. In particular, user/tobor is excellent. LE themselves have admitted that they have one smudged fingerprint. Investigators have never revealed how the girls died or disclosed details about the crime scene. In the search warrant application parts of which are redacted the agent reveals that the murderer would have been covered in the victims blood due to the large amount of blood was lost by the victims at the crime scene. I believe there is probable cause to believe that RONALD LOGAN has committed the crime of murder and evidence of that can be found on RONALD LOGANS property.. These people are from all over the country and have expertise in all sorts of different areas. Anyhow on YT one of the titles says former cheerleader. Not that thats necessarily relevant to the case, just that one of your pics above makes more sense now lol. Because statistically, the chance that it is a crazy serial killer would be smaller. But after reading all of this my personal opinion I think 3 people are involved. Thank you for stopping by the site. Please do not report this due to it discussing a rumor. He has dealt with his grief with silence and hiding himself away. The motive was sexual. Its more secure. But know, this is deliberate. He was living in the Evansdale area at the time. I have the images but Im not sure they are accurate. Theres only one parent. He was right in the middle of all the police and media, and no one suspected him. Liberty "Libby" German and Abigail "Abby" Williams. If this roommate is correct, it looks like Mr. X worked in 2011-2012 at as packing plant in the Delphi area, and he was moved to near Evansdale, Iowa for a period during these two years to work on a sister plant near Evansdale. Garrett said he doesn't understand why it took police so many years to match an unspent round from the crime scene to a gun owned by a man who lives in Delphi. I read your recent blogs about the Delphi murders, and you have a ton of info. Dolls were hanging from trees at the crime scene. The incident was nicknamed the "Snapchat Murders" after Abby took a photo of Libby at around 2:17 p.m. and put it on social media. This implies that the girls were returned to the scene later. No, LK is the real deal. 2 people did the actual murders and a woman behind the initial plan. Point is that he may have never had ceased offending. You said parent, so that gives me a clue. Libby was apparently enthralled by this profile, Cain said. 242? So I held off. Knives were also found at Allen's home, according to the affidavit. An image taken from the video was released years ago as police asked for information to help them find the unknown suspect. The "Nearly Decapitated" rumors : r/DelphiMurders. Theres no evidence that Tony Kline has ever been a suspect or has ever been interviewed by the police. Can you spell out the name? In a blown-up pic of him, you can clearly see that it has the shape of handcuffs. Police investigating the mysterious Delphi, Indiana, murders are looking for the person who, they said, created fake Snapchat and Instagram profiles, posed as a wealthy male model and contacted underage girls. 8 Weirdly Specific True Crime Shows That Actually Exist, Chris Watts Bombed His Polygraph Test, and It Led to His Confession, Where Is Convicted Murderer Jeffrey MacDonald Now? I must have the wrong name for your POI? She cited instances of abuse and alcoholism. Maybe he sent it to Libbys phone. If he didnt have his keys, he could not move his truck. We believe that the running away and months of therapy were also staged. In other words, they were faked. We also dont know what he was doing searching down there that night. Theres something different about this casing, it stood out to me. This KAK guy simply got messed up in sending sexual videos to underage teenage girls and collecting the same from them. LE caught Mr. X in the lies about losing his keys, calling his wife to bring him a spare, and a spare even existing in the first place. There was posing.

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